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- (MACXPERT) hi bob
- (APPLE-BOB) hi, xpert!
- (OZMA) Hello, Bob!
- (APPLE-BOB) hiya oz!!
- (TARTAN) Logging out all - thanks for letting me watch
- (APPLE-BOB) lo tartan
- (MACXPERT) stay, tartan
- (APPLE-BOB) bye, tartan
- (APPLE-BOB) yes, tartan...stay if you can!
- (MACXPERT) <ironic that I can't enjoy VCO - sigh>
- (OZMA) Nice to meet you, Tartan...can't you stay?
- (APPLE-BOB) kelly is late tonite? anybody hear from him?
- (MACXPERT) no, bob
- (OZMA) no, bob, i didn't.
- (APPLE-BOB) hmmm...he usually leaves word if there ar problems...thank you.
- (MACXPERT) hmm, maybe I should do it for //e & mockingboard
- (MACXPERT) <but will be slow in basic & no graphics>
- (TARTAN) I hope to all - that's why I am watching tonight
- (OZMA) I'm really impressed with VCO, Macx.
- (APPLE-BOB) I'll buy one - probably ready before I have a working Mac.
- (MACXPERT) thanks, ozma
- (MACXPERT) I also have a new VCOexcept file but it's trapped in my Hyperdrive
- (OZMA) That sounds like a terrible fate, Macx!
- (MACXPERT) ~5
- (OZMA) ~1~1
- (APPLE-BOB) ~3
- (MACXPERT) ~1
- (OZMA) `1
- (OZMA) oops
- (APPLE-BOB) <wish I could see what I am doing>
- (OZMA) ~0
- (MACXPERT) <use the menu, it's easier>
- (MACXPERT) <can't see it myself on //e>
- (MACXPERT) bob, you have a ][ don't you?
- (APPLE-BOB) my //c just shows "squiggle-number"
- (MACXPERT) do any of the ][ people have a mockingboard?
- (APPLE-BOB) yes, xpert - several
- (MACXPERT) <same here - ~~~~ bob>
- (APPLE-BOB) er...I have several //s...dunno about // users with mockingboard <on PLINK>
- (OZMA) YOu know, Bob, you just gave me an idea...
- (APPLE-BOB) <grin>
- (MACXPERT) I'm tempted to hack up a basic terminal pgm with speech just so I can see this
- (OZMA) what if there were an optional file here in the club...
- (APPLE-BOB) yes, val?
- (OZMA) where users could list the equipment that they have and use...
- (MACXPERT) yep, sort of like the /UD file
- (MACXPERT) good idea
- (OZMA) would give you and Kelly a better idea of whehe group was going.
- (APPLE-BOB) that's a great idea. We have been talking about an extended user file...I think Kelly was going...
- (OZMA) ~3hmmm...gotta watch the typos with VCO.
- (APPLE-BOB) to check with PLINK on it.
- (APPLE-BOB) I'll check with Kel and let you know the status.
- (OZMA) ~0
- (MACXPERT) oz: hint: you can edit in the bottom part of the screen with cut/copy/paste
- (OZMA) Great! thanks, Macx
- (APPLE-BOB) I *hate* having to visualize all this stuff. I have never eben been able to see VCO! <grumble>
- (MACXPERT) <that's why text is so slow - it uses TextEdit>
- (MACXPERT) apple-bob, lisa still not working <sigh>
- (APPLE-BOB) macx - presumably, decision on my new machine was to be made this afternoon...we'll see <skeptical after a yr>
- (OZMA) Oh, dear, Macx...you are really having the hardware problems, aren't you?
- (MACXPERT) yep, ozma-
- (OZMA) ~7
- (OZMA) ~0
- (MACXPERT) my dealer already replaced power supply & analog card, still no luck
- (APPLE-BOB) still no progress in diagnostics, xpert?
- (APPLE-BOB) ic
- (OZMA) I'm sure that that is annoying.
- (APPLE-BOB) souds familiar.
- (MACXPERT) no, they plug it in at the workbench all is fine...
- (MACXPERT) but as soon as they bring it downstairs to
- (MACXPERT) the display area it fails in a few minutes
- (MACXPERT) and same thing as soon as I get it home
- (OZMA) Maybe it only works at high altitudes!
- (MACXPERT) <sigh>
- (MACXPERT) ~1
- (APPLE-BOB) <laugh> oz
- (MACXPERT) ~0
- (MACXPERT) ~2
- (MACXPERT) ~0
- (OZMA) ~4
- (APPLE-BOB) can you stack those squiggle commands with more than one on a line, or is c/r needed?
- (OZMA) ~3
- (MACXPERT) hmm, I'm no the 5th floor, could be
- (MACXPERT) yep, apple...
- (JONO) <--SPLAT!-->
- (JONO) <LLTM>
- (APPLE-BOB) nice entry, jono! Hi.
- (MACXPERT) hi jono
- (OZMA) ~0
- (JONO) Where's your daughter Bob???????????????? <grin>
- (OZMA) Hi Jono!
- (MACXPERT) ~[ ozma how about this? ~{ hugs!
- (APPLE-BOB) dancing in the living room, jono
- (JONO) Watch that language Ozma, I mean ~0 on an open channel is a little much <grin>
- (OZMA) hahaha Mac
- (MACXPERT) <what did it show and/or say>?
- (APPLE-BOB) what happens with squiggle -1?
- (OZMA) <confused>
- (MACXPERT) ~1 is a snoopy-smiley face
- (JONO) Bob; I tell ya, hook her up to PLINK and let her read section 13 in Exotica...
- (MACXPERT) how about {ha
- (APPLE-BOB) ferget it, jono! <laugh>
- (MACXPERT) {snore
- (MACXPERT) {eat
- (MACXPERT) {drink
- (JONO) then signal her to Partyline and tell her to type /CHAT JONO
- (MACXPERT) ~2
- (APPLE-BOB) xpert - I meant squiggle-minus-one
- (JONO) Don't you trust me <innoc look>
- (JONO) {gasp <whatever that means>
- (MACXPERT) will ihgnore the ~- and show 1
- (APPLE-BOB) no commment
- (APPLE-BOB) thanks .
- (MACXPERT) {7
- (JONO) Ask Kelly, no, don't ask Kelly Bob!
- (JONO) i have your address to bob <grin>
- (MACXPERT) <can I do this one in mixed company>?
- (APPLE-BOB) so does half of San Antonio, jono.
- (JONO) ~9010010101
- (APPLE-BOB) <laugh>
- (MACXPERT) <better not>
- (OZMA) haha...Macx..goning to have to go....
- (MACXPERT) bye ozma <hugz>
- (JONO) <chuckle> You are starting to get like Kelly bob, be carefu;l <grin>
- (APPLE-BOB) awwww...bye oz! <Hugger>
- (OZMA) ildren to put to bed...night all.
- (JONO) /FIN APPLE-BOB-WIFE <grin>
- (MACXPERT) lets do it again next week <I shoud have a mac>
- (MACXPERT) you must have a handful, ozma <grin>
- (APPLE-BOB) will do, xpert...but i'll still be vco-blind, if fear.
- (JONO) How's your supply of paperclips MACX?
- (MACXPERT) ~5
- (JONO) Isn't that what you need to eject sdisks from a mac {grin
- (MACXPERT) Jono: used one only once in 2 years - there are much easier ways to do that.
- (MACXPERT) <like using DiskUtil or Fedit or rebooting with mouse button>
- (MACXPERT) <or using cmd-shift 1
- (APPLE-BOB) <recalling all those wonderful programs and commands from long ago>
- (APPLE-BOB) I'm sorry...really getting p*ssed.
- (APPLE-BOB) <grumble>
- (JONO) Where the fugg is Kelly?
- (MACXPERT) I could imagine - a whole year trying to get it fixed!
- (MACXPERT) <VCO would have said "bleep" for that>
- (JONO) Oops, plink personnel is present, I mean fun kelly..
- (APPLE-BOB) I dunno, jono...hope he's ok - usually leaves word if he'll be late.
- (JONO) I'm sure he's fine, he's got the moving blues!
- (MACXPERT) he's here
- (MACXPERT) <in clubs at least>
- (KMAJOR) Hello, SORRY I'm late!
- (APPLE-BOB) ono!!! I'm in the midst of that too.
- (JONO) Let's ball him out!
- (MACXPERT) hi kelly!!!
- (JONO) Oh, Hi kelly, just talking about u wwith Bob
- (APPLE-BOB) hi, kelly! Just talking about you.
- (MACXPERT) ~4
- (JONO) He's gonna sign his daughter up with an account..
- (MACXPERT) <I forgot which commands are which after all this time>
- (JONO) Tell him she's safe in chat with me <grin>
- (KMAJOR) I don't blame you, am I fired?
- (APPLE-BOB) jono trying to et me to turn over my beautiful 15 yr old daughter. Dreamer!
- (JONO) Who's APPLE1
- (JONO) Cough...
- (APPLE-BOB) <laugh> not a chance! You do too much work here.
- (JONO) I'm telling you Bob, I woulden't kiss here till the second chat <grin>
- (KMAJOR) Apple1 is a club acccount with no permanent owner.
- (JONO) Just ask Kelly, I'm a really cool guy, and I've unly been seen in the jungle a few times..
- (JONO) and erotica once!
- (KMAJOR) Yo, Tartan, just watching or did you find a Mac?
- (KMAJOR) ~1
- (APPLE-BOB) ~1
- (APPLE-BOB) hahaha
- (MACXPERT) ~1
- (MACXPERT) ~2
- (MACXPERT) ~~0
- (KMAJOR) {horn Scott?
- (JONO) {grumble
- (JONO) SNOOPY DANCING!!!!
- (MACXPERT) {rr
- (APPLE-BOB) {laugh
- (MACXPERT) {ha
- (KMAJOR) Bob, any word on your machine yet?
- (JONO) SNOOPY DANCING, watch it kelly...
- (KMAJOR) ~0
- (APPLE-BOB) kel - presubably, a decision was to be made this afternoon. I doubt it.
- (JONO) Kelly:The rom upgrade is free..
- (JONO) But I better pack some pjs cuz it has to stay overnight!
- (KMAJOR) I was wondering if you got it all workled out, Jono.
- (JONO) I just put on my charm to the same saleswoman.
- (MACXPERT) I may end up with a Mac+ <but no hyperdrive> as a result of my dead mac
- (KMAJOR) Still dead, Mac?
- (MACXPERT) yep. power supply & analog card replaced
- (APPLE-BOB) I am hoping for a mac+ and a 20meg apple hard disk + +...that's what I asked for.
- (TARTAN) I'm checking in occaisionally? How does this appear on youscreen?
- (JONO) Kelly...concearning what I think of you..
- (JONO) ~5
- (JONO) {grin
- (JONO) {bell
- (MACXPERT) {horn
- (KMAJOR) Well, you look like charlie brown to me!
- (JONO) {horn
- (JONO) Charlie Black!
- (TARTAN) I wanna be POGO!
- (MACXPERT) tartan does all the { and ~ stuff look strange <using a //e now>
- (APPLE-BOB) try squiggle 33
- (KMAJOR) Scott, just watching then, I guess you didn't find a Mac?
- (APPLE-BOB) sre does.
- (TARTAN) Doesn't look strange, macx - I know what I'm looking at
- (APPLE-BOB) er sure does look strange - to me, that's vco!
- (JONO) ::MAIL::
- (TARTAN) Just watching Kell - thos tnx for invite
- (MACXPERT) tartan, do I know you from CIS?
- (TARTAN) I have a CIS id - but we've never met
- (MACXPERT) not even on MAUG?
- (TARTAN) Nope.
- (KMAJOR) Whats MAUG? [ha
- (MACXPERT) <I'm not MACXPERT THERE>
- (KMAJOR) {ha
- (TARTAN) loggin out for a while - be back
- (JONO) ~33
- (MACXPERT) bye tartan
- (JONO) Seeya Scott!
- (APPLE-BOB) many aggravated unhappy groupies?
- (KMAJOR) Ok Tartan - see ya later
- (APPLE-BOB) see ya tartan
- (JONO) What do you'all think is better.
- (MACXPERT) tartan, are you BADDOG on delphi?
- (JONO) : AE PRO or APPLE ACCESS //
- (KMAJOR) I prefer females, Jono.
- (MACXPERT) AE Pro by far!!!!!!
- (KMAJOR) oh, hehe.
- (APPLE-BOB) never used access...but AE Pro hard to beat.
- (KMAJOR) AE PRO, no question about it.
- (JONO) I didn't ask for an invalid opinion Kelly >grin>
- (MACXPERT) <using ae pro now>
- (APPLE-BOB) metoo.
- (JONO) Not many people on delphi like ae pro!
- (APPLE-BOB) not credible people..after all, they are on delphi.
- (KMAJOR) Mac - Tartan is not BADDOG on Delphi.
- (APPLE-BOB) <grin>
- (MACXPERT) <just suspected who he might be>
- (JONO) Hey, KElly uses Delphi, watch it!
- (KMAJOR) I wish!
- (JONO) <grin>
- (APPLE-BOB) <ducking>
- (MACXPERT) Has anyone seen MCS, the latest mac communications pgm?
- (MACXPERT) by the author of Telescape & Binhex
- (KMAJOR) I just use it for laughs. *grin*
- (JONO) Hey, Tartan told me he may suprise everyone and make VCO work on the //
- (APPLE-BOB) is it any good? compare to rr?
- (KMAJOR) No, but my MicroPhone was shipped yesterday, fnally. Will be reporting on that.
- (MACXPERT) haven't got my Microphone yet
- (MACXPERT) I haven't tried MCS yet but it's not a general purpose program...
- (APPLE-BOB) <wishing I had more $$$>
- (KMAJOR) I callled them and kinda stirred em up to get answerts.
- (MACXPERT) It's only for use between 2 macs
- (KMAJOR) er answers
- (MACXPERT) and uses X.PC protocol to chat/send/receive at the same time
- (APPLE-BOB) i c, xpert - what is its virtue?
- (KMAJOR) Where did you see an Ad
- (APPLE-BOB) oh! nice!
- (MACXPERT) it's uploaded to MAUG - $10 shareware
- (JONO) Kelly, did you know the Unidisk has a eject button <grin>
- (KMAJOR) A real button? How antiquated.
- (JONO) No paperclip necessary!
- (APPLE-BOB) Kelly - score 1!! laugh
- (JONO) Sounds like a '57 chevy when it ejects though.
- (MACXPERT) Supposedly someone figured out how to attach unidisk mechanism to Mac as an 800K external drive
- (KMAJOR) Thats what I've been hearing too, seem like it should be possible.
- (APPLE-BOB) heard rumors aobut that!
- (KMAJOR) Best I can tell they are the exact same drive, internally.
- (MACXPERT) a whole thread about it on CI$ a few weeks ago
- (MACXPERT) yes, they are
- (JONO) MAUG has toooo many msgs if you ask me!
- (JONO) APPLE SIG of MAUG that is!
- (KMAJOR) How about uploading MCS, I'd like to see that [hint.
- (MACXPERT) Too much Apple // stuff now.
- (JONO) {horn
- (MACXPERT) I mean t apple /// stuff on MAUG
- (JONO) Not enuff Apple // stuff here
- (JONO) [hint
- (APPLE-BOB) got it, jono.
- (KMAJOR) I'm working on getting that fixed, Jono. Gimme a break!
- (JONO) ~1
- (MACXPERT) I'll try sending it from my //e <I have it as a macbinary file >
- (JONO) Why should I give you a break <grin>
- (MACXPERT) unless I get my Mac fixed first
- (KMAJOR) Ahh, by the way Mac - have you ever seen documentation of the MacPaint file format?
- (MACXPERT) Yes - in my old issue of IM <one of the addendum sheets>
- (MACXPERT) written by Bill Atkinson himself
- (KMAJOR) Is it very long?
- (APPLE-BOB) why, kel...what are you planning?
- (MACXPERT) a 512 byte header <patterns> followed by the output of the PackBits function
- (JONO) Anyone wanna buy an ADAM computer...$200!!!
- (MACXPERT) a series of scan-lines packed using PackBits
- (KMAJOR) Well, Tartan is trying to improve upon that IBM/MacPaint file viewer but needs MacPaint file format info.
- (MACXPERT) also a few short pascal pgms to read.write it.
- (APPLE-BOB) i c...neat.
- (JONO) Includes box, a big value, I rented it out to a family last month as they didn't have anywhere to live!
- (MACXPERT) I'm not sure how PackBits compresses it
- (KMAJOR) Also needs a complete desc of MacBinary format, I think I know where that is.
- (MACXPERT) I could upload that <it's on my //e now>
- (JONO) YEah, I think Tartan is crazy with all those ideas..
- (JONO) Ohh Hi scott!
- (JONO) {grin
- (KMAJOR) Great! - Please do!
- (TARTAN) Also need resource file layout
- (KMAJOR) resource files aren't all the same.
- (MACXPERT) probably wouldn't need resource file layout for stuff like macpaint files
- (TARTAN) I know - I know
- (JONO) ~1
- (TARTAN) Problem is that the faces files you use are resource files
- (MACXPERT) That's in IM & it's sort of a pain - lots of pointers
- (TARTAN) No prob ptrs - I'm an asm pgmmr from way way back
- (MACXPERT) oh. it has several kinds of headers and pointers in several places to get one piece of info
- (TARTAN) Notice no word in above sentnc more than six lettrs
- (APPLE-BOB) <laugh>
- (KMAJOR) Good point, Tart!
- (TARTAN) you bet
- (MACXPERT) I could type in all that stuff from IM and upload it
- (MACXPERT) <the resource format that is>
- (JONO) }horn
- (JONO) {horn
- (MACXPERT) tartan: how about in the form of C .H files?
- (JONO) Well, bye all!
- (MACXPERT) bye jono
- (APPLE-BOB) bye jono
- (KMAJOR) Nite, jono - have a good one!
- (JONO) Don't get up, I'll get the door
- (TARTAN) type?
- (JONO) {grin
- (JONO) {poof
- (TARTAN) US Snail would be quite enoug, Macx
- (MACXPERT) I could copy it from my _old_ looseleaf IM
- (TARTAN) If'n ye wood, I'd shore appreciate it, good sir
- (MACXPERT) ok.
- (TARTAN) I'll mail you a mailing address.
- (MACXPERT) as for the icons themself, they're 128-byte images
- (KMAJOR) Is the new IM copy protected?
- (KMAJOR) <grin>
- (APPLE-BOB) <laugh>
- (MACXPERT) the new one is harder to copy - hard covered <grin> won't fit in my machine
- (MACXPERT) ~1
- (APPLE-BOB) should i get the new one? or is my old 2-binder set ok?
- (KMAJOR) {drink
- (MACXPERT) Your old one should be Ok if you have all the supplements
- (KMAJOR) With the Mac+ out, they are all obsolete now.
- (APPLE-BOB) good! yeah, got all the supplements.
- (MACXPERT) <if you bought it & the SS, you should receive a bound edition>
- (APPLE-BOB) great!!!! <grimace>
- (MACXPERT) no mention of new ROMs in the new IM
- (APPLE-BOB) thanks, xpert...I'll have to check into that.
- (MACXPERT) tartan: you're trying to adapt mac formats to the PC? sounds interestinmg!!!
- (KMAJOR) Have you seen the IBM program to view MacPaint files?
- (MACXPERT) no. does it use a standard graphics card?
- (MACXPERT) can it run on a Tandy 2000 with the hi-res color screen?
- (KMAJOR) I'm not sure, really....
- (KMAJOR) it runs on the IBM at work, I think we have hercules card
- (MACXPERT) how about an AT? <I have Xenix, not DOS running on the one at work>
- (KMAJOR) it doesn't do the pictures much justice, they are real tall and skinny.
- (APPLE-BOB) wrong club...but has anybody seen/used a Leading Edge? Model D, <I think>?
- (KMAJOR) Yea, I had it on an AT at work.
- (MACXPERT) Our AT is also on the verge of getting sick - developed a hard disk error today & crashed with a PANIC
- (KMAJOR) Not I
- (APPLE-BOB) tnx
- (KMAJOR) Have a backup?
- (MACXPERT) yep <takes so long to back it up>
- (MACXPERT) we average about 1 crash every 2 days on it
- (KMAJOR) Its not that bad with the 1.2 meg drives.
- (APPLE-BOB) that's awful, xpert!
- (MACXPERT) using TAR it is <sigh>
- (KMAJOR) Oooo, thats not a good record at all.
- (MACXPERT) we have 2M ram on it - used to crash more often with only 512K